Kodi
06-28 02:02 PM
This is not good. My PERM labor is stuck in Atlanta, I was hoping to apply I-140 pp since my 6th year H1 is expiring Dec, 07. If I can get my I-140 approved then I'll have to leave.
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ggyro
07-20 05:59 PM
I believe best mode's analysis is correct based on the following from the daily dairy
"By 55 yeas to 40 nays .. Senate rejected the motion to waive ...with respect to Cornyn Amendment No. 2339 (to Amendment No. 2327), to provide interim relief for .... Subsequently, the point of order that the amendment, was not germane, was sustained, and the amendment thus fell. "
My interpretation: the vote was not on Cornyn's amendment; ...; it was out of order because it did not qualify as an amendment to this bill.
Because 40 Dems voted no on the waiver does not mean they are opposed to the amendment; they just did not want to vote on this amendment on this bill.
"By 55 yeas to 40 nays .. Senate rejected the motion to waive ...with respect to Cornyn Amendment No. 2339 (to Amendment No. 2327), to provide interim relief for .... Subsequently, the point of order that the amendment, was not germane, was sustained, and the amendment thus fell. "
My interpretation: the vote was not on Cornyn's amendment; ...; it was out of order because it did not qualify as an amendment to this bill.
Because 40 Dems voted no on the waiver does not mean they are opposed to the amendment; they just did not want to vote on this amendment on this bill.
jsb
01-15 03:37 PM
I don't think this is true. As a CSR, case is assigned to you, not you choose the case. I think it's the same way to IOs. PD current cases will be assigned to IO, not IO looks into paper mountains to find case to adjust....
Yes, you are right. Cases are assigned (not picked), which is done in order they were physically received at the center they are being assigned at. If PD is not current, case is put aside and next file is considered. Due to huge filings in July'07, resultant chaos, and shuffling cases around between centers before entering them in the system, if your file is way below in line (eventhough you deligently made sure to have it with USCIS on July 2, AND your PD is current), no one is going to look at your file, until your turn (in order of final data entry) reaches.
Yes, you are right. Cases are assigned (not picked), which is done in order they were physically received at the center they are being assigned at. If PD is not current, case is put aside and next file is considered. Due to huge filings in July'07, resultant chaos, and shuffling cases around between centers before entering them in the system, if your file is way below in line (eventhough you deligently made sure to have it with USCIS on July 2, AND your PD is current), no one is going to look at your file, until your turn (in order of final data entry) reaches.
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kshitijnt
05-14 07:06 PM
What do you mean by upgrade to premium? I dont think you can change the option by simply upgrading. You need to file I-864 to change to consular processing.
There are a few options:
1. If you have chosen consular processing, ( I am guessing you have not), you can file I-485 and amended I-140 at any time PD becomes current.
2. If you chose AOS on I-140 and the I-140 is approved, some consulates accept attorney certified I-140 provided you pay the fees usually payable to NVC. Expect 3 months of delay in getting an appointment though.
Pros & Cons:
Consular:
You get your GC as against EADs endless loop.
You have to be with the same employer for atleast 180 days since the time you get your GC and you enter US using your GC.
AOS:
You and your spouse both get EAD. NO need to travel to foreign country.
You need to wait 180 days from filing 485 to change jobs (assuming 140 is approved, if not the case is more complicated).
More time consuming and longer duration.
The lawyers here will vouch for I-485 as it means more revenue for them. If you have a stable job where you are doing good and you are counting to get a promotion, etc go for consular processing instead of getting stuck with 485 process.
Can someone please advice pros and cons, keeping in mind the forward movement of priority dates could be just for the month of June!
My 140 is still pending in NSC I have the option to quicky upgrade that to premium and then go for CP, what would be the course of action?
Also what are the wait times for CP in Mumbai India?
Thanks!
May we all get outa this mess :cool: and move on with life!
There are a few options:
1. If you have chosen consular processing, ( I am guessing you have not), you can file I-485 and amended I-140 at any time PD becomes current.
2. If you chose AOS on I-140 and the I-140 is approved, some consulates accept attorney certified I-140 provided you pay the fees usually payable to NVC. Expect 3 months of delay in getting an appointment though.
Pros & Cons:
Consular:
You get your GC as against EADs endless loop.
You have to be with the same employer for atleast 180 days since the time you get your GC and you enter US using your GC.
AOS:
You and your spouse both get EAD. NO need to travel to foreign country.
You need to wait 180 days from filing 485 to change jobs (assuming 140 is approved, if not the case is more complicated).
More time consuming and longer duration.
The lawyers here will vouch for I-485 as it means more revenue for them. If you have a stable job where you are doing good and you are counting to get a promotion, etc go for consular processing instead of getting stuck with 485 process.
Can someone please advice pros and cons, keeping in mind the forward movement of priority dates could be just for the month of June!
My 140 is still pending in NSC I have the option to quicky upgrade that to premium and then go for CP, what would be the course of action?
Also what are the wait times for CP in Mumbai India?
Thanks!
May we all get outa this mess :cool: and move on with life!
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vinodp1978
06-28 04:05 PM
Obviously i was wanting to know what the law states...and not a democratic answer. I dont always expect forums to quote the law correctly - use your judgement!
Thanks anyway for that answer. My situation is different beacuse with the I-140 PP going away for now...and my H1B expiring Feb 2008...I am left with approved I-140,Labor and retrogressed dates to be eligible for 3yr extension.
Now that if 140 is pending ...then I am left with EAD as the only option to continue manitaing my status.
Correct my intrepretation of law if wrong..
Thanks anyway for that answer. My situation is different beacuse with the I-140 PP going away for now...and my H1B expiring Feb 2008...I am left with approved I-140,Labor and retrogressed dates to be eligible for 3yr extension.
Now that if 140 is pending ...then I am left with EAD as the only option to continue manitaing my status.
Correct my intrepretation of law if wrong..
smuggymba
09-15 04:36 PM
Two factors:
1.) Personal Choice
2.) Job security.
If you work for a good company - buy one. If your job is dicey, don't.
Personal need + good job = House
1.) Personal Choice
2.) Job security.
If you work for a good company - buy one. If your job is dicey, don't.
Personal need + good job = House
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06-30 01:06 PM
Low Expectations for Obama’s Immigration Speech � The Washington Independent (http://washingtonindependent.com/90677/low-expectations-for-obamas-immigration-speech)
President Obama�s planned speech on immigration reform tomorrow has been lauded as indication of a renewed commitment to immigration reform, as have his meetings early this week with advocates and the Congressional Hispanic Caucus. So what will the president say? Unfortunately for reform advocates, not much that�s new: Obama is expected mostly to retread familiar ground on the importance of passing comprehensive immigration reform, rather than offering specific provisions he�d like to see in the law.
States aren�t waiting for reform � NPR reports that 45 states have introduced more than 1,000 bills and resolutions relating to immigrants so far this year � and polls indicate that most Americans support Arizona-style laws to curb illegal immigration. In theory, the issue should be resolved at a nationwide level to prevent harsh laws from driving illegal immigrants into other states. (There�s some concern that the Arizona law is already having that effect.) But no Republican senator has emerged to back a comprehensive bill, and with midterm elections in sight, rounding up votes for a controversial topic might be difficult before a potential lame-duck session
President Obama�s planned speech on immigration reform tomorrow has been lauded as indication of a renewed commitment to immigration reform, as have his meetings early this week with advocates and the Congressional Hispanic Caucus. So what will the president say? Unfortunately for reform advocates, not much that�s new: Obama is expected mostly to retread familiar ground on the importance of passing comprehensive immigration reform, rather than offering specific provisions he�d like to see in the law.
States aren�t waiting for reform � NPR reports that 45 states have introduced more than 1,000 bills and resolutions relating to immigrants so far this year � and polls indicate that most Americans support Arizona-style laws to curb illegal immigration. In theory, the issue should be resolved at a nationwide level to prevent harsh laws from driving illegal immigrants into other states. (There�s some concern that the Arizona law is already having that effect.) But no Republican senator has emerged to back a comprehensive bill, and with midterm elections in sight, rounding up votes for a controversial topic might be difficult before a potential lame-duck session
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Dipika
02-24 05:57 PM
i agree. how about sending flowers to precident with message that if half million legal immigrant waiting in EB get GC, will definitely buy home, so it will help to improve US Housing crisis.
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03-17 03:20 PM
Just saw that this dude is banned. Its good. He created a fake profile recently to divide us.
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srt57
02-09 07:32 PM
The requirements for the position shouldn't exceed SVP time levels for the job zone to which the position code belongs - that's all I know. If the position code falls under zone IV or V you can require MS.
I still don't understand how BS+5 qualifies for EB2. If the position code falls is in zone V, BS+5 (7 years of SVP) would be a "normal" requirement, but isn't EB2 only for people with advanced degrees AND positions that require the advanced degree?
I agree with your reasoning. BS+5 seems excessive for EB2 purposes. However, my lawyer also said it is acceptable if the position was a senior level one, eg. Sr Software Engineer. I don't quite understand how she arrived to that conclusion, that's why I'm asking on this forum in the hope that some of the folks on here who have had their PERM labor certification approved under EB2 even though their occupations were Jobzone 4 or SVP 7 <8 would share their experience and stories.
I still don't understand how BS+5 qualifies for EB2. If the position code falls is in zone V, BS+5 (7 years of SVP) would be a "normal" requirement, but isn't EB2 only for people with advanced degrees AND positions that require the advanced degree?
I agree with your reasoning. BS+5 seems excessive for EB2 purposes. However, my lawyer also said it is acceptable if the position was a senior level one, eg. Sr Software Engineer. I don't quite understand how she arrived to that conclusion, that's why I'm asking on this forum in the hope that some of the folks on here who have had their PERM labor certification approved under EB2 even though their occupations were Jobzone 4 or SVP 7 <8 would share their experience and stories.
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crazyghoda
06-10 07:25 PM
Actually very true. I for one have held off on buying a gun (though my wife highly disapproves of guns) simply because I dont have a GC and dont want any hassles. Besides I live in Chicago which has a ban on guns. Ironic that the maximum killings and drive by shootings happen maybe 30-40 blocks from where I live but the city doesnt allow legal law-abiding residents to own guns.
Maybe we should tell NRA that lot of skilled immigrants will buy guns once they have GCs. That could be the fastest way for us to get some lobbying money. It could work faster then the message on "buying houses".
Maybe we should tell NRA that lot of skilled immigrants will buy guns once they have GCs. That could be the fastest way for us to get some lobbying money. It could work faster then the message on "buying houses".
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GCVictim
08-20 10:36 AM
Is there anyone who went out of US with old AP and returned with new (renewed) AP?
Please share your experience.
Thanks.
Please share your experience.
Thanks.
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gc_in_30_yrs
08-22 10:14 AM
I talked to USCIS information center at (202) 272-8269. They asked me to submit Form G-639 (it is available at www.uscis.gov --> under forms section). It has all the instructions to request the copies we needed.
The following is the direct link for the form g-639:
http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/formsfee/forms/files/g-639.pdf
:)
The following is the direct link for the form g-639:
http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/formsfee/forms/files/g-639.pdf
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ramus
06-28 12:12 PM
Does this indicate that all dates will be 'C' in July?
Starting July 2, USCIS will no longer allow petitioners to file their I-140's under the premium processing program.* This is expected to be a temporary measure; starting August 1 petitioners will be allowed to file their*I-140 cases under the premium processing program.
*
The USCIS' press release can be accessed here: http://www.aila.org/content/default.aspx?docid=22772
Starting July 2, USCIS will no longer allow petitioners to file their I-140's under the premium processing program.* This is expected to be a temporary measure; starting August 1 petitioners will be allowed to file their*I-140 cases under the premium processing program.
*
The USCIS' press release can be accessed here: http://www.aila.org/content/default.aspx?docid=22772
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belmontboy
04-21 03:15 PM
Whether we like it or not...this is a reality. I have had a neighbor where both the husband wife was working. They brought their parents every year... because it was cheaper than Day Care.
But they didnt bother to drive Benz and BMW.
True, have seen many folks do the same.
Though their pride says no. Not sure what's so shameful in that :)
But they didnt bother to drive Benz and BMW.
True, have seen many folks do the same.
Though their pride says no. Not sure what's so shameful in that :)
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ASR
05-21 04:32 PM
I have copied below the May 15th processing dates. Sorry, it is too cluttered.
Service Center Processing Dates for Texas Service Center Posted May 15, 2008
I-90 Application to Replace Permanent Resident Card Initial issuance or replacement January 16, 2008
I-102 Application for Replacement/Initial Nonimmigrant Arrival/Departure Record Initial issuance or replacement of a Form I-94 February 15, 2008
I-129 Petition for A Nonimmigrant Worker H-1B - Specialty occupation - Visa to be issued abroad December 26, 2007
I-129 Petition for A Nonimmigrant Worker H-1B - Specialty occupation - Change of status in the U.S. December 26, 2007
I-129 Petition for A Nonimmigrant Worker H-1B - Specialty occupation - Extension of stay in the U.S. December 26, 2007
I-129 Petition for A Nonimmigrant Worker H-2A - Temporary workers April 15, 2008
I-129 Petition for A Nonimmigrant Worker H-2B - Other temporary workers April 15, 2008
I-129 Petition for A Nonimmigrant Worker H-3 - Temporary trainees December 26, 2007
I-129 Petition for A Nonimmigrant Worker E - Treaty traders and investors December 26, 2007
I-129 Petition for A Nonimmigrant Worker L - Intracompany transfers March 16, 2008
I-129 Petition for A Nonimmigrant Worker Blanket L December 26, 2007
I-129 Petition for A Nonimmigrant Worker O - Extraordinary ability December 26, 2007
I-129 Petition for A Nonimmigrant Worker P - Athletes, artists, and entertainers December 26, 2007
I-129 Petition for A Nonimmigrant Worker Q - Cultural exchange visitors and exchange visitors participating in the Irish Peace process December 26, 2007
I-129 Petition for A Nonimmigrant Worker R - Religious occupation December 26, 2007
I-129 Petition for A Nonimmigrant Worker TN - North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) professional December 26, 2007
I-131 Application for Travel Document All other applicants for advance parole February 15, 2008
I-140 Immigrant Petition for Alien Worker Extraordinary ability August 26, 2007
I-140 Immigrant Petition for Alien Worker Outstanding professor or researcher August 26, 2007
I-140 Immigrant Petition for Alien Worker Multinational executive or manager August 26, 2007
I-140 Immigrant Petition for Alien Worker Schedule A Nurses August 26, 2007
I-140 Immigrant Petition for Alien Worker Advanced degree or exceptional ability August 26, 2007
I-140 Immigrant Petition for Alien Worker Advanced degree or exceptional ability requesting a National Interest Waiver August 26, 2007
I-140 Immigrant Petition for Alien Worker Skilled worker or professional August 26, 2007
I-140 Immigrant Petition for Alien Worker Unskilled worker August 26, 2007
I-360 Petition for Amerasian, Widow(er), or Special Immigrant All other special immigrants December 07, 2006
I-485 Application to Register Permanent Residence or to Adjust Status Employment-based adjustment applications June 21, 2007
I-485 Application to Register Permanent Residence or to Adjust Status Based on grant of asylum more than 1 year ago June 28, 2007
I-526 Immigrant Petition By Alien Entrepreneur For use by an entrepreneur who wishes to immigrate to the United States October 16, 2007
I-539 Application to Extend/Change Nonimmigrant Status Change of status to H or L dependents June 13, 2007
I-539 Application to Extend/Change Nonimmigrant Status Change status to the F or M academic or vocational student categories June 13, 2007
I-539 Application to Extend/Change Nonimmigrant Status Change Status to the J exchange visitor category June 13, 2007
I-539 Application to Extend/Change Nonimmigrant Status All other change of status applications June 13, 2007
I-539 Application to Extend/Change Nonimmigrant Status Extension of stay for H and L dependents June 13, 2007
I-539 Application to Extend/Change Nonimmigrant Status Extension of Stay for F or M academic or vocational students June 13, 2007
I-539 Application to Extend/Change Nonimmigrant Status Extension of Stay for J exchange visitors June 13, 2007
I-539 Application to Extend/Change Nonimmigrant Status All other extension applications June 13, 2007
I-612 Application for Waiver of the Foreign Residence Requirement Application for a waiver of the 2-year foreign residence requirement based on exceptional hardship or persecution March 06, 2007
I-730 Refugee/Asylee Relative Petition Petition for accompanying family members of a refugee or an asylee April 06, 2007
I-751 Petition to Remove the Conditions on Residence Removal of lawful permanent resident conditions (spouses of U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents July 03, 2007
I-765 Application for Employment Authorization Based on a request by a qualified F-1 academic student. [(c)(3)] February 15, 2008
I-765 Application for Employment Authorization Based on a pending asylum application [(c)(8)] March 10, 2008
I-765 Application for Employment Authorization Based on a pending I-485 adjustment application [(c)(9)] February 15, 2008
I-765 Application for Employment Authorization Based on TPS for Honduras/Nicaragua [(c)(19), (a)(12)] February 15, 2008
I-765 Application for Employment Authorization Based on TPS for El Salvador [(c)(19)(a)(12)] February 15, 2008
I-765 Application for Employment Authorization All other applications for employment authorization February 15, 2008
I-817 Application for Family Unity Benefits Voluntary departure under the family unity program November 07, 2007
I-824 Application for Action on an Approved Application or Petition To request further action on an approved application or petition November 17, 2007
I-829 Petition by Entrepreneur to Remove Conditions Removal of lawful permanent resident conditions (immigrant investors) July 05, 2007
I-829 Petition by Entrepreneur to Remove Conditions Removal of lawful permanent resident conditions (immigrant investors) based on PL107-273 May 31, 2007
coud you also paste NSC dates?
Service Center Processing Dates for Texas Service Center Posted May 15, 2008
I-90 Application to Replace Permanent Resident Card Initial issuance or replacement January 16, 2008
I-102 Application for Replacement/Initial Nonimmigrant Arrival/Departure Record Initial issuance or replacement of a Form I-94 February 15, 2008
I-129 Petition for A Nonimmigrant Worker H-1B - Specialty occupation - Visa to be issued abroad December 26, 2007
I-129 Petition for A Nonimmigrant Worker H-1B - Specialty occupation - Change of status in the U.S. December 26, 2007
I-129 Petition for A Nonimmigrant Worker H-1B - Specialty occupation - Extension of stay in the U.S. December 26, 2007
I-129 Petition for A Nonimmigrant Worker H-2A - Temporary workers April 15, 2008
I-129 Petition for A Nonimmigrant Worker H-2B - Other temporary workers April 15, 2008
I-129 Petition for A Nonimmigrant Worker H-3 - Temporary trainees December 26, 2007
I-129 Petition for A Nonimmigrant Worker E - Treaty traders and investors December 26, 2007
I-129 Petition for A Nonimmigrant Worker L - Intracompany transfers March 16, 2008
I-129 Petition for A Nonimmigrant Worker Blanket L December 26, 2007
I-129 Petition for A Nonimmigrant Worker O - Extraordinary ability December 26, 2007
I-129 Petition for A Nonimmigrant Worker P - Athletes, artists, and entertainers December 26, 2007
I-129 Petition for A Nonimmigrant Worker Q - Cultural exchange visitors and exchange visitors participating in the Irish Peace process December 26, 2007
I-129 Petition for A Nonimmigrant Worker R - Religious occupation December 26, 2007
I-129 Petition for A Nonimmigrant Worker TN - North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) professional December 26, 2007
I-131 Application for Travel Document All other applicants for advance parole February 15, 2008
I-140 Immigrant Petition for Alien Worker Extraordinary ability August 26, 2007
I-140 Immigrant Petition for Alien Worker Outstanding professor or researcher August 26, 2007
I-140 Immigrant Petition for Alien Worker Multinational executive or manager August 26, 2007
I-140 Immigrant Petition for Alien Worker Schedule A Nurses August 26, 2007
I-140 Immigrant Petition for Alien Worker Advanced degree or exceptional ability August 26, 2007
I-140 Immigrant Petition for Alien Worker Advanced degree or exceptional ability requesting a National Interest Waiver August 26, 2007
I-140 Immigrant Petition for Alien Worker Skilled worker or professional August 26, 2007
I-140 Immigrant Petition for Alien Worker Unskilled worker August 26, 2007
I-360 Petition for Amerasian, Widow(er), or Special Immigrant All other special immigrants December 07, 2006
I-485 Application to Register Permanent Residence or to Adjust Status Employment-based adjustment applications June 21, 2007
I-485 Application to Register Permanent Residence or to Adjust Status Based on grant of asylum more than 1 year ago June 28, 2007
I-526 Immigrant Petition By Alien Entrepreneur For use by an entrepreneur who wishes to immigrate to the United States October 16, 2007
I-539 Application to Extend/Change Nonimmigrant Status Change of status to H or L dependents June 13, 2007
I-539 Application to Extend/Change Nonimmigrant Status Change status to the F or M academic or vocational student categories June 13, 2007
I-539 Application to Extend/Change Nonimmigrant Status Change Status to the J exchange visitor category June 13, 2007
I-539 Application to Extend/Change Nonimmigrant Status All other change of status applications June 13, 2007
I-539 Application to Extend/Change Nonimmigrant Status Extension of stay for H and L dependents June 13, 2007
I-539 Application to Extend/Change Nonimmigrant Status Extension of Stay for F or M academic or vocational students June 13, 2007
I-539 Application to Extend/Change Nonimmigrant Status Extension of Stay for J exchange visitors June 13, 2007
I-539 Application to Extend/Change Nonimmigrant Status All other extension applications June 13, 2007
I-612 Application for Waiver of the Foreign Residence Requirement Application for a waiver of the 2-year foreign residence requirement based on exceptional hardship or persecution March 06, 2007
I-730 Refugee/Asylee Relative Petition Petition for accompanying family members of a refugee or an asylee April 06, 2007
I-751 Petition to Remove the Conditions on Residence Removal of lawful permanent resident conditions (spouses of U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents July 03, 2007
I-765 Application for Employment Authorization Based on a request by a qualified F-1 academic student. [(c)(3)] February 15, 2008
I-765 Application for Employment Authorization Based on a pending asylum application [(c)(8)] March 10, 2008
I-765 Application for Employment Authorization Based on a pending I-485 adjustment application [(c)(9)] February 15, 2008
I-765 Application for Employment Authorization Based on TPS for Honduras/Nicaragua [(c)(19), (a)(12)] February 15, 2008
I-765 Application for Employment Authorization Based on TPS for El Salvador [(c)(19)(a)(12)] February 15, 2008
I-765 Application for Employment Authorization All other applications for employment authorization February 15, 2008
I-817 Application for Family Unity Benefits Voluntary departure under the family unity program November 07, 2007
I-824 Application for Action on an Approved Application or Petition To request further action on an approved application or petition November 17, 2007
I-829 Petition by Entrepreneur to Remove Conditions Removal of lawful permanent resident conditions (immigrant investors) July 05, 2007
I-829 Petition by Entrepreneur to Remove Conditions Removal of lawful permanent resident conditions (immigrant investors) based on PL107-273 May 31, 2007
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gccovet
09-23 12:40 PM
@3PM EST
http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/calendar.html
The calendar says 1:00 PM EST.
http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/calendar.html
The calendar says 1:00 PM EST.
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02-25 01:00 PM
I don't know how to open a thread to run a poll to track the number of people ready to send flowers to white house/president to highlight our case to buy houses if there is a a provision to approve GCs on a fast-track basis. With a substantial fast track fee (>4000 dollars) and 20% down payment toward house payment, we have a strong case. If we get hundreds of people ready to send to flowers, may be IV can make it an action item.
kalia
07-10 12:40 AM
Why are people afraid of sending flowers. What are you afraid of.
Do you think that USCIS will deny your application because you sent them the flowers?
Do you think that USCIS will stop processing your green card applications?
Do you think that USCIS will request the president to issue an executive order and stop accepting any your application.
STOP THINKING AND JUST DO IT. It looks like you have forgotten the "SEND A BRICK CAMPAIGN" carried out by those who wants to secure the borders.
Just do it. Send flowers now.
Do you think that USCIS will deny your application because you sent them the flowers?
Do you think that USCIS will stop processing your green card applications?
Do you think that USCIS will request the president to issue an executive order and stop accepting any your application.
STOP THINKING AND JUST DO IT. It looks like you have forgotten the "SEND A BRICK CAMPAIGN" carried out by those who wants to secure the borders.
Just do it. Send flowers now.
annsheila79
04-19 09:51 AM
we will see more of this as elections near..